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	<title>Comments on: I am braille-geek, hear me wibble</title>
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		<title>By: bunny</title>
		<link>http://blog.niceperson.org/2003/02/07/i-am-braille-geek-hear-me-wibble/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s really cool that you&#039;re learning braille, although if I were on a bus, I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d say anything, either (as it might be obvious that you&#039;re learning it). I&#039;ve seen people with braille computers on the Metro and people speed-reading braille, but they&#039;ve all been blind.

Of course, I think braille is neat looking as well as really useful, and it reminds me about an idea I had for an exhibit web page (it&#039;s about communication). :)

By the way, did you know your preview button isn&#039;t working correctly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that's really cool that you're learning braille, although if I were on a bus, I don't know if I'd say anything, either (as it might be obvious that you're learning it). I've seen people with braille computers on the Metro and people speed-reading braille, but they've all been blind.</p>
<p>Of course, I think braille is neat looking as well as really useful, and it reminds me about an idea I had for an exhibit web page (it's about communication). :)</p>
<p>By the way, did you know your preview button isn't working correctly?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurabelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.niceperson.org/2003/02/07/i-am-braille-geek-hear-me-wibble/comment-page-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurabelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohh, the button is working perfectly, it&#039;s my template that was screwed. Thanks for telling me, and I&#039;ve fixed it now.

And maybe you&#039;re right, and everyone knows it&#039;s braille so they don&#039;t need to ask. The woman who asked said that she was curious about what it was, and I don&#039;t think she recognized it as simulated braille.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohh, the button is working perfectly, it's my template that was screwed. Thanks for telling me, and I've fixed it now.</p>
<p>And maybe you're right, and everyone knows it's braille so they don't need to ask. The woman who asked said that she was curious about what it was, and I don't think she recognized it as simulated braille.</p>
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		<title>By: Dany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also trying to learn braille, for a school program on accessibility. It is not too difficult, at least for integral Braille. Grade 2 Braille is much more complex but I am not sure it is worth the trouble since there are some computer software to do the work.

I found a &lt;a href=&quot;http://libbraille.org/translator.php?src=hello&amp;table=standard&quot;&gt;free  online translator&lt;/a&gt; to transcribe from black to braille, but I am still looking for something to do the reverse (braille to black).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm also trying to learn braille, for a school program on accessibility. It is not too difficult, at least for integral Braille. Grade 2 Braille is much more complex but I am not sure it is worth the trouble since there are some computer software to do the work.</p>
<p>I found a <a href="http://libbraille.org/translator.php?src=hello&#038;table=standard">free  online translator</a> to transcribe from black to braille, but I am still looking for something to do the reverse (braille to black).</p>
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		<title>By: Laurabelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.niceperson.org/2003/02/07/i-am-braille-geek-hear-me-wibble/comment-page-1/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurabelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dany, it&#039;s great that you&#039;re learning braille. I would highly encourage you to put out the effort to learn Grade 2, because it&#039;s not really that hard (even though it does take some time) and because a computer translator just isn&#039;t as good as a human transcriber.

For transcribing, my braille agency uses software called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.braille2000.com/&quot;&gt;Braille2000&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s pretty good, and it can also translate from print to braille. However, it makes lots of mistakes, and there are ways in which computers simply are not capable of creating correct braille.

For example, in Braille there&#039;s a sign for a period/full stop (dots 256), and there&#039;s a different sign for an ellipsis (dot 3 repeated in 3 cells).  So what happens when there are &lt;em&gt;four&lt;/em&gt; dots in print? That depends on the syntax of the preceding sentence.  If the sentence was complete and there&#039;s nothing obviously missing, the period goes first (ex: &quot;I used to have a cat....&quot;). Otherwise the ellipsis goes first, inside the sentence (ex: &quot;I used to...&quot;). How do you expect a computer to understand that?

There are lots of examples like that. Word division is probably the most common one, although it might be solveable. The problem is, language is designed for parsing by humans, not computers. We don&#039;t know how we understand language, so it&#039;s very difficult to build a computer program that can do even a halfway decent job of it.

Libbraille looks really cool, especially from an open-source perspective. Thanks for mentioning it. I did notice that their translator doesn&#039;t even offer American Grade 2 as an option, probably because it seems to be an &lt;abbr title=&quot;European Union&quot;&gt;EU&lt;/abbr&gt;-based project. I shall have to see whether I can lend a hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dany, it's great that you're learning braille. I would highly encourage you to put out the effort to learn Grade 2, because it's not really that hard (even though it does take some time) and because a computer translator just isn't as good as a human transcriber.</p>
<p>For transcribing, my braille agency uses software called <a href="http://www.braille2000.com/">Braille2000</a>. It's pretty good, and it can also translate from print to braille. However, it makes lots of mistakes, and there are ways in which computers simply are not capable of creating correct braille.</p>
<p>For example, in Braille there's a sign for a period/full stop (dots 256), and there's a different sign for an ellipsis (dot 3 repeated in 3 cells).  So what happens when there are <em>four</em> dots in print? That depends on the syntax of the preceding sentence.  If the sentence was complete and there's nothing obviously missing, the period goes first (ex: "I used to have a cat...."). Otherwise the ellipsis goes first, inside the sentence (ex: "I used to..."). How do you expect a computer to understand that?</p>
<p>There are lots of examples like that. Word division is probably the most common one, although it might be solveable. The problem is, language is designed for parsing by humans, not computers. We don't know how we understand language, so it's very difficult to build a computer program that can do even a halfway decent job of it.</p>
<p>Libbraille looks really cool, especially from an open-source perspective. Thanks for mentioning it. I did notice that their translator doesn't even offer American Grade 2 as an option, probably because it seems to be an <abbr title="European Union">EU</abbr>-based project. I shall have to see whether I can lend a hand.</p>
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